Post by Sweet on Jun 22, 2016 16:11:37 GMT
I think that in the fandom there are a lot of... how can we call them? Trivia? Theories? Anyways things that started as opinions and rumors and then over the years have been accepted as being the truth, without often having no real foundation. And I love to dismantle them 
One of these concerns vampires and their kinkiness. I had not so long ago a debate on LJ and before that I had already read on this subject on other forums so I'm pretty sure that many if not all believe vampires to be into pain. To love sex with pain, to put it bluntly. Basically BSDM but supposedly with no safe word XD
Well, I already thought it was a cliché and a poor one,, because, without going into details, there were never hints of this on the show. The only instances I was remembered of as evidence of this is Drusilla lightly slicing Spike's face and licking his blood in their very first appearance and Spike's words in Lovers Walk:
So everyone is convinced that Spike and Drusilla used torture and this sort of things as foreplay. But while 'working' on another thread I re-read What's my line p.2 transcript and I found this interesting quote. It's the scene where Drusilla is having fun torturing Angel and Spike interrupts her:
This: Drusilla is torturing Angel, Spike offhandedly says that torture is not his thing and Angel starts heavily hinting that Drusilla has different tastes. And in the beginning Spike has absolutely no clue what Angel is talking about and when he does he's clearly not pleased. It's also interesting to note that Drusilla tries to silence Angel, as if not wanting Spike to discover this side of her.
I don't know you but this scene tells me that while Drusilla has some kinkyness in her, Spike has not and they have never indulged in these kind of sex games. Which means to say that vampires like pain is yet another generalization that in my opinion trivializes vampires, depriving them of their individual characterization.
One of these concerns vampires and their kinkiness. I had not so long ago a debate on LJ and before that I had already read on this subject on other forums so I'm pretty sure that many if not all believe vampires to be into pain. To love sex with pain, to put it bluntly. Basically BSDM but supposedly with no safe word XD
Well, I already thought it was a cliché and a poor one,, because, without going into details, there were never hints of this on the show. The only instances I was remembered of as evidence of this is Drusilla lightly slicing Spike's face and licking his blood in their very first appearance and Spike's words in Lovers Walk:
I'm gonna do what I should have done in the first place. I'll find her, wherever she is, tie her up, torture her till she likes me again.
So everyone is convinced that Spike and Drusilla used torture and this sort of things as foreplay. But while 'working' on another thread I re-read What's my line p.2 transcript and I found this interesting quote. It's the scene where Drusilla is having fun torturing Angel and Spike interrupts her:
She (Drusilla) is about to pour some onto his chest again when Spike comes in.
Spike: That's it, then. (Drusilla looks up at him) Off to church.
Drusilla: (stands up) It makes pretty colors.
Spike: Pft! I'll see him die soon enough. I've never been much for the pre-show.
He reaches up to untie one of Angel's bonds while Drusilla puts away the holy water and gets Miss Edith.
Angel: Too bad. That's what Drusilla likes best, as I recall.
Spike: What's that supposed to mean? (steps over to the other bond)
Angel: Ask her. She knows what I mean.
Drusilla has come back to stand behind Spike's shoulder, and he turns his head to face her.
Spike: Well?
Drusilla: (to Angel) Shhh! Grrrruff! Bad dog.
Angel: You shoulda let me talk to him, Dru. Sounds like your boy could use some pointers. She likes to be teased.
Spike has finished untying the other bond and throws it to the floor.
Spike: Keep your hole shut! (stands over him)
Angel: Take care of her, Spike. The way she touched me just now? I can tell when she's not satisfied.
Spike: I said SHUT UP!
He grabs Angel by the throat, lifts him to his feet and holds him against the bedpost.
Angel: Or maybe you two just don't have the fire we had.
Spike: That's enough.
Spike: That's it, then. (Drusilla looks up at him) Off to church.
Drusilla: (stands up) It makes pretty colors.
Spike: Pft! I'll see him die soon enough. I've never been much for the pre-show.
He reaches up to untie one of Angel's bonds while Drusilla puts away the holy water and gets Miss Edith.
Angel: Too bad. That's what Drusilla likes best, as I recall.
Spike: What's that supposed to mean? (steps over to the other bond)
Angel: Ask her. She knows what I mean.
Drusilla has come back to stand behind Spike's shoulder, and he turns his head to face her.
Spike: Well?
Drusilla: (to Angel) Shhh! Grrrruff! Bad dog.
Angel: You shoulda let me talk to him, Dru. Sounds like your boy could use some pointers. She likes to be teased.
Spike has finished untying the other bond and throws it to the floor.
Spike: Keep your hole shut! (stands over him)
Angel: Take care of her, Spike. The way she touched me just now? I can tell when she's not satisfied.
Spike: I said SHUT UP!
He grabs Angel by the throat, lifts him to his feet and holds him against the bedpost.
Angel: Or maybe you two just don't have the fire we had.
Spike: That's enough.
This: Drusilla is torturing Angel, Spike offhandedly says that torture is not his thing and Angel starts heavily hinting that Drusilla has different tastes. And in the beginning Spike has absolutely no clue what Angel is talking about and when he does he's clearly not pleased. It's also interesting to note that Drusilla tries to silence Angel, as if not wanting Spike to discover this side of her.
I don't know you but this scene tells me that while Drusilla has some kinkyness in her, Spike has not and they have never indulged in these kind of sex games. Which means to say that vampires like pain is yet another generalization that in my opinion trivializes vampires, depriving them of their individual characterization.