Post by mcwoo81 on Jun 17, 2016 8:33:03 GMT
Sorry I should have quoted before replying:
But Spike is capable of doing good - because of the chip. We’ve never dealt with a chipped vampire - and Angelus was never chipped. Tat doesn’t mean he had any sort of moral compass - the good things he did were pretty much from self interest. But chipped Spike was able to care about a few humans in ways that unchipped Spike wasn’t interested in.
Spike was predisposed to being good as, as a human, he was good. I'm not saying that chipped Spike was not selfish: he missed the fight and purpose his life had and so fought for good because it gave him something to give him back that purpose. He could hurt demons so he took that chance to regrow, but to my mind accidentally became the man he was prior to being sired. This was witnessed when he got his soul back and removed the chip. He could have left at that point, but he didn't. He stayed in the fight.
Sweet, you asked if I thought Angel really wanted to become human. I think yes,but again for selfish means. It would mean he could walk in sunlight, live and finally die as a human, but more important to him he could finally have Buffy. Spike also having a soul does indeed shine a light on Angel's inherent badness as, as I keep saying, Spike was always a good man and Angel knows he's not.
But, as pointed out on the show, the existence of a soul does not mean goodness. Nor does it mean selflessness. Giles had a soul and he still killed Ben. His motives were selfish: to protect Buffy.
So he is an interesting point: Regardless of the nature of good or bad of any party all actions could be viewed as selfish. The question should be do the selfish good deeds outweigh the selfish bad onea because of their intention?
Spike was predisposed to being good as, as a human, he was good. I'm not saying that chipped Spike was not selfish: he missed the fight and purpose his life had and so fought for good because it gave him something to give him back that purpose. He could hurt demons so he took that chance to regrow, but to my mind accidentally became the man he was prior to being sired. This was witnessed when he got his soul back and removed the chip. He could have left at that point, but he didn't. He stayed in the fight.
Sweet, you asked if I thought Angel really wanted to become human. I think yes,but again for selfish means. It would mean he could walk in sunlight, live and finally die as a human, but more important to him he could finally have Buffy. Spike also having a soul does indeed shine a light on Angel's inherent badness as, as I keep saying, Spike was always a good man and Angel knows he's not.
But, as pointed out on the show, the existence of a soul does not mean goodness. Nor does it mean selflessness. Giles had a soul and he still killed Ben. His motives were selfish: to protect Buffy.
So he is an interesting point: Regardless of the nature of good or bad of any party all actions could be viewed as selfish. The question should be do the selfish good deeds outweigh the selfish bad onea because of their intention?